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content is only 1 category of website

ecommerce drives all the advertising that funds content… it’s a much bigger market, and they don’t care about content scraping as long as you buy their product

well your coordinator gets to end whatever it likes wherever it likes but the devices themselves communicate over your internal network so everything should be much snappier

i didn’t dodge the question… i’m saying the question is rooted firmly in your definition and is therefore not something that i think is valid…. and your use of “reasonable” is just saying you think anyone that disagrees with you is unreasonable… charged end emotive: not intended to discuss, but to persuade regardless of truth

and worth noting as well that thread is only kinda another standard: it uses the same wireless communication as zigbee does

i don’t think percentage is a useful distinction… how do you measure that? by lines of code? by behavioural traits? my point throughout this discussion is that it’s not as clean as any of that

as i said: its its own thing… it is neither linux, debian, nor is it freebsd… in the same way that android is an operating system distinct from other flavours of linux

matter and thread are different things fyi…

thread uses the same wireless communication as zigbee (zigbee has other stuff on top of it), so is a low power wireless protocol

matter is the data format that devices use to communicate on top of an IP-based network like wifi or thread. it’s meant to standardise all these competing “works with google” “works with alexa” “homekit compatible”: if it works with matter, it should work with any coordinator that has matter compatibility (which all the big ones do these days)

thread will work great if the wifi is down - same as zigbee!

matter also (afaik) forces local devices: your coordinator (a homepod, alexa, etc) talks directly to the device without going through the internet. again, same as zigbee

i certainly don’t agree that system utilities and libraries are outside of that limit and said as much when i commented on Debian GNU/kFreeBSD: its its own thing… its neither debian, nor freebsd. it is however based on both

the gui is definitively part of the operating system - confirmed by that wikipedia page that you linked (though i’d say only in the case where the gui is heavily tied to the default configuration of the OS like windows, macos, android, etc), and that’s nowhere near the kernel

and my point is that these things aren’t definitions that have particularly concrete categories… an operating system is not a single thing: it can be many different things which include things like GUIs even… as much as we try to fit the world into neat little boxes, that’s just not how things work

even the categories of operating systems is messy: take single user vs multi user… macos is single user, but openbsd is multi user… in the beginning, the kernel was largely the same but due to the system tools and configuration, macos became a different classification of operating system

it’s all super messy, and saying that windows vista and windows 11 are the same operating system is extremely reductive

okay, sorry i got the kernel and system tools mixed up in my head after reading it. that proves nothing other than the fact that you’re looking for a gotcha rather than a serious discussion

But the common understanding is a bit different than yours.

the common understanding is that android is a different operating system to ubuntu, and macos is a different operating system to openbsd

Would Debian GNU/kFreeBSD be 50% Linux, 50% FreeBSD under your definition even though it has no Linux code?

it is what it is: a completely different thing… BSD system tools with a linux kernel

an operating system is comprised of the kernel, as well as system libraries and system utilities… user space is irrelevant to the classification of what is and isn’t an operating system: the concept of user space doesn’t even exist in some operating systems

the concept of a kernel isn’t even useful to define operating systems… look at things like ROS for example

an operating system is far more than just the kernel

there are few people who would say that android is the same operating system as ubuntu

people need to learn that the way you deal with bullies is everyone stands together and say fuck off with that shit

if you capitulate, you get bullied some more

and it’s incredibly shit that you can’t donate to firefox… people donate to mozilla assuming they’re donating to firefox but none of the donations go towards firefox development

i emailed them about this a while ago… i can’t remember exactly what i said, but basically that i didn’t want to donate to adtech and ai slop but wanted to support firefox development… this is their reply

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it’s not at all true… it was misunderstanding that people seemed to have blown way out of proportion without understanding context, and now they have A+ policies in place

https://feddit.nu/comment/15151206

that’s fair, but i think there’s space for multiple to compete… servo and ladybird have different ethos from what i can tell… ladybird is trying to build everything from scratch, as well as being completely independent (whilst servo was mozilla and is now the linux foundation)

personally, i prefer servo just because its rust and i don’t think that independence from the linux foundation is really that important

but that’s not to say that what ladybird is trying to achieve, or their reasons are wrong

Most of my family is against gay marriage and don’t believe in gender fluidity, yet when my sister in law said her child is non-binary and would like to be referred to with they/then, they complied.

no, that’s fucked up… less fucked up than making a big deal of it, but it shows a huge lack of empathy… people close to them that they know quite well are validating that non binary people exist - that it’s not just people “looking for attention” and all that other garbage that people throw out there and they still don’t think they should be treated with respect and as equals by society

that’s “i don’t respect you but i don’t want to make a scene”

this is why the rate of self harm in the queer scene is so fuck high… because families suddenly don’t respect people they’ve know and loved their entire lives

well that’s because it’s kinda not trying to be a browser first; it’s trying to be an engine… let others make the UI, and ladybird can be the best damn thing to wrap that UI around… from what i understand, they have a web browser as more of a tech demo right now

Under semantic versioning everything after vista has been in essence a new version of vista.

okay but using that logic everything running linux kernel v5 is the same… fedora, ubuntu, rhel are in essence just a reskin of slackware

an OS is not semantically versioned as a whole because an OS is more than just the kernel

i’m running waterfox… it’s firefox, but with junk stripped out, and performance optimisations

there’s no real alternatives between chromium and firefox based engines, and chromium includes pretty much everything you’ve heard of except firefox