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  • And what I’m saying is that what you claim I claimed was never claimed by me.

    Since the discussion seems to have derailed let me do a brief summary:

    • Original guy: here are some opinions I have
    • Other guy: your opinions don’t make sense, some of them contradict other ones
    • Me: they don’t contradict at all. It is perfectly coherent to have those opinions.
    • You (correct me if I’m wrong): your opinion is wrong because it seems you’re a contestant for a contrarian contest.

  • I tried to make the least offensive analogy possible in order to have a logical conversation around the topic. But it still got an emotional response. I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith.

    The second paragraph is called projection. I never made the claim that those opinions are correct because they are contrarian, yet you keep making the claim that they’re incorrect because they are contrarian.

    I don’t understand how being contrarian or not makes an opinion less or more valid. Who decides what mainstream is? Whoever gets more upvotes? We should never ever have an opinion that will get downvoted on Lemmy? Or is it a democratically elected process? In that case, the mainstream opinion in the US in 2020 was that the best person to be the president was Donald trump. Does that make it correct?

    You’re yet to give any argument other than “those opinions are wrong because they are contrarian”


  • First of all, that’s not my opinion. I’m defending the other guy. Since he’s getting his opinion denied under the untrue argument that his opinion is contradictory, when it is not. See the user names.

    Second point, “not supporting trans athletes because they are a small group” is not at all what I said, but you are acting as if that were what I said. Let me repeat it again so you can see the difference: you don’t need to support every policy that claims to support a small subset of a group in order to claim that you support that group.

    Since it seems hard to understand let me say an example. There is country “chairland” where the chairpeople leave happily. Inside chairland there is a town called “tabletown”. Person A says: “tabletown people should have free access to Netflix!” And person B says: “No, I love chairpeople, but tabletown is not entitled to free Netflix”. Is the claim of people B contradictory? Can’t a person support chairland but not support giving tabletown free Netflix?

    And yes, everything in that original comment made by the other guy are opinions. “Trans women should compete in women leagues” is not a fact, doesn’t matter how progressive you are, it is under every definition of the word: an opinion.

    You are free to have any opinion you want, I don’t believe in thought crimes. I don’t know why you place such importance on “contrarian”. Is someone that has an opinion different than yours a contrarian? Are contrarian opinions not valid? Therefore, are opinions different than yours not valid?




  • Of all the things in your comment, getting right the “you probably call yourself a centrist” is the least significant part. You’re wrong in all the rest of your comment, which is the actually important part.

    Whether someone calls themselves left, right or center is way less important than the policies they support.

    Because guess what. You can’t fit the entire world in 3 political buckets and expect everyone in each bucket to have the same opinion as everyone else on that bucket.

    As I said in another comment. The world is not black and white. There’s lots of shades of grey.

    And each person has a different combination of shades of grey for each political topic.


  • There is no contradiction.

    Not wanting trans-women in sports doesn’t make you not support LGBT. T is only one letter of 4+. And trans-women is only half of T. And athlete trans women is a small subset of that. And athlete trans women that want to play in women’s leagues are a subset of that.

    You can reward people based on accomplishments and also tax the rich. You can also have social programs while still rewarding them.

    You can improve the environment without a complete ban of fossil fuels.




  • And how are women pushed out of “man jobs”?

    And how are we fixing that?

    Is it bosses that aim to have male coworkers turning down women? How is that different than bosses wanting artificially 50/50 turning down men?

    Is it not being represented in advertising? How is that different than what happens now. Where most advertising displays just women? Or if there is both a man and a woman, the woman is usually centered in the picture or doing a more important/powerful role.

    By “encouraging” women in the workplace, what you see is things being done to men that you complain was done to women.






  • It is not only an issue due to forever growth. Birthrates are so low in some places (like Japan), that the new generations will just be crushed by the (economic) burden of the older ones.

    Older people don’t contribute much to the economy, but they spend a lot. It’s just how it is. Older people are usually less healthy, and less healthy people eventually consume more resources than they can provide. This burden means that the younger generations will demand change to the government, and that will make retirement either worse or harder to achieve. Which will lead to the old days of working until you drop dead. Or distopian-like situations where old people willingly die to not be a burden, or even worse, they are killed by the government.

    And as you say, immigration just fixes the short-term effects. That future is inevitable with birthrates so low. Inmigrants usually adopt to the birthrate of the country very fast.