I did ask her that actually (how would she feel), but it certainly wasn’t the focus it was more how would that other person feel. I’ll explore the ‘i wonder’ too, not just for this. Thanks.

Thanks, I’ll take a look

Thanks. Do you happen to remember what were the books called? Maybe more moralistic TV is called for! I’d certainly enjoy a rewatch of star trek ha

Thanks. Yeah, I don’t want to shout at her really, it isn’t something I do. I have tried to talk about the moral aspects and how it makes others feel sad already. You’re recommending more of the same, I was worried about limited effectiveness. She certainly didn’t feel sorry when she apologised to the shopkeeper, but she was incredibly embarrassed and shy about it, to the point I’m surprised she did so! I’ve also tried the story thing and so has another trusted adult. Another poster mentioned removing vegetables as something she likes, this could be a direct consequence. As you say, I don’t want it to be about 'not getting caught ’

Thanks for your insight. I’ve not thought of removing vegetables, she does eat them no problem & enjoys them. My real worry is that if the behaviour continues into later life, then the consequences are much more severe.

That’s a good idea. I think I’ll arrange a meeting with the teacher. Thanks

It would be a community support police officer, in the UK. It wouldn’t be a criminal record sort of thing nor even saying my daughter is stealing or anything serious. Basically a discussion of what can happen if someone steals. Just an idea. They have regular community events which we would attend and I’d ask ’ what happens if '… My wife is a psychologist, so we have that part covered. Thanks for your response.

I too am interested in an automated system taking data from things like smart rings/watches, ideally with home assistant integration. Do you mean like basic note taking? something like Joplin could be used for that. I use it extensively. It has a to do checkbox function, which you could use as a reminder, though it doesn’t pop up. You’d have to look at it. I think for reminders etc. you’d perhaps be looking at calendar software, perhaps next cloud, which also includes notes.